Megatron 2 years, 1 month ago

i see a battle brewing between footballfan533 and Stevanchez, and I think it's going to be an epic one! wheewwwww.... let me get ready for this one.

footballfan533 2 years, 1 month ago

the reason why i questioned your argueing ability is that you mis-quoted me. u said that i said that AA and Rogers were oafs when i never said that. i agree Fedor is one of the best fighters ever, the whole point of this topic is to puncture holes in fedors game. it wouldnt be much of a battle if a sat and talked about how great he is. fedor has proven he is one of the greatest along with Bj penn. unfortunately for fedor the people he has beaten have flaws however i will say that it is usually fedor who exposes those flaws. you have got me completely wrong. im not a fedor hater. the reason i called u and idiot is because you put words in my mouth.. which is the mark of an idiot. when you read fedors record, he had beaten alot of guys but IMO the last time he fought top level competition at his weight class was Cro cop and big nog. 5 years ago. if someone said to me fedor was the greatest of all time i wouldnt argue as much, but the best right now? not for me. anderson silva all theway

Stevanchez 2 years, 1 month ago

And you’re really questioning my arguing ability? I believe you're the one who has reduced this debate to childish name calling by saying my opinion is "bullshit" and calling me an "idiot". Again, I'm just saying. ; )

Stevanchez 2 years, 1 month ago

I guess, I just don't get it. The guy out classes world class grapplers like Lindland, Nagata, Coleman(x2),Randleman, Fujita, Ogawa, Babalu, Arona, and Nogueira(x2) on the GROUND and people wine and make excuses like, "They're to small" or "They're one dimensional". So then he fights huge freaks of nature like Zulu, Schilt, Hunt, and Choi and the excuse of, "They have no talent" ring throughout the world. Which I somewhat understand. But then he fights BIG top ranked HWs like Sylvia, AA, and Rogers and then even more excuses like, "They were overrated" or "They're washed up" or "They're not the best" come out of the woodwork. Like I said, I just don't get it. Honestly, what does the guy have to do? Now I'm not arguing against Penn's greatness. Like I said before, IMO he's the best LW in the history of MMA and easily a top 10 Pound-for-Pound fighter. Is he the best Pound-for-Pound? Again IMO, no. Is he better then Fedor? AGAIN IMO, no.

footballfan533 2 years, 1 month ago

did i say AA and Rogers are oafs. if your going to try and argue with me atleast read what i wrote. I said they are not top 5 heavyweights. What i was actually talking about was the GROUND GAME. in which fedor is given alot of credit for submitting big OAFS, whereas Bj penn submits top level black belts. I dont doubt fedor has great BJJ but this battle is about who has better and i believe its obvious. so if your going to argue with someone on this site, one of the first things you need to start doing is understanding the battle topic along with reading what people write you idiot.

Stevanchez 2 years, 1 month ago

So AA and Rogers are "oafs" that are better suited for the special olympics then they are for an MMA fight, while Stevenson and Sanchez are the elite of the elite. Hold on, let me write that down.....GOT IT. Thanks for the lesson. Oh and there are only 3 LEGIT BJJ blackbelts in the HW division; Nog(who Fedor beat twice), Mir, and Werdum who he's probably going to fight next. So what you're saying is, if Fedor submits Werdum you'll be satisfied? Highly DOUBTFUL. And you're right, I don't care how a fighter WINs as long as they WIN and no one, in the history of MMA, has been better at winning then Fedor. But lets be honest, nothing short of KOing a gorilla, armbarring a bear, and beating that four armed guy from Mortal Kombat all in the same day will impress you(and many others) enough to give Fedor the props he deserves. On that note, I realize nothing I or anyone can say will be persuasive enough, so I'm DONE.

footballfan533 2 years, 1 month ago

fair enough megatron your never ignorant i give you that but i just think that penn is very underated. hardly anybody picks against him at 155 yet hes never mentioned as the best pound for pound, hes mentioned in the top 5 but never the best. HOWEVER. for stevanchez to say AA and Rogers are top 5 heavyweights just because they did well against an older fedor is bullshit. typical sherdog HW ranking. i was talking about the ground game! fedor is always raved about for his ground game for subbing big oafs. i raved about bj penns for submitting LEGIT bjj black belts with ease. that might not be valid to you but it is to me. to say fedor is fighting the best fighters he can get his hands on when he walked away from a big deal with the ufc is bullshit. and quite frankly am done with this topic because fedor isnt fighting top level fighters so as much as i love him, its not relevant anymore. anderson silva number 1.

Megatron 2 years, 1 month ago

great arguments by both Brian and Stevanchez. But my comment about heavyweight vs. lightweight is not ignorant, it is what it is, and it's simply the way fighting works, that's why we have weightclasses in the first place because in reality, a lightweight cannot take on a heavyweight. Having size matters, the skill of fighter and fighting style will vary because of that size. For Brock Lesnar or anyone weighing in at 270 lbs to not use that advantage will be foolish. Lightweights put the emphasis on speed, endurance and quickness, because that is what they're built for. One cannot in actuality make the pound for pound comparisons, because different weight classes use different skillsets to win their match. You like the haircut hey? Less maintance! lol

Stevanchez 2 years, 1 month ago

If Fedor has to come to the UFC and beat Brock & Mir to prove he's the best, then Penn has to go to DREAM and beat Aoki & Kawajiri to prove he's the best. I'm just saying, your logic of "to be the best you have to beat the best" doesn't make sense for Penn vs Fedor because technically BJ Penn isn't fighting the VERY best LW in the world either because the best LW are in DREAM. Now I personally don't believe that because I think both Penn and Fedor are fighting the best top level fighters they can get their hands on and beating them impressively. But you can't degrade Fedor's wins over fighters like Rogers and AA(top 5 HWs) and then turn around and praise Penn for win's over Stevenson and Sanchez(barely top 10 LWs). It doesn't make sense and isn't a very valid arguement.

footballfan533 2 years, 1 month ago

pound for pound does exist. i think your being a little ignorant simply saying that because a we are comparing a light weight and a heavyweight we have to give the advantage to the heavyweight. the whole point of pound for pound is to take away the weight class and look at the skills each fighter has. if fedor wants to prove hes the best he has to beat the best. he did that 5 years ago, he had the chance to wipe the ufc heavyweight division out, and he walked away. the fact is the last time he fought a top level fighter was 5 years ago. when he took out big nog and cro cop in there primes. bj penn, anderson silva, gsp have all been taking out top level fighters in there primes since then. we simple cannot say fedor is the best right now because he is undefeated when he is not fighting the best. silva, gsp, bj penn are fighting the best and beating them. so i put them ahead of him. and the arguement that fedor is the best until someone beats him when he is fighting bums is weak. cheers